i just -- think back to the 2011 negotiations over the deficit, the supercommittee. that committee, i know, was making progress when joe biden was sitting with them trying to work out some spending reductions or tax increases. as soon as -- but they were not getting there. when the president got involved, it fell apart, and that supercommittee which was negotiating in good faith accomplished nothing back in 2011. and i think we're in the same situation now where the president is engaged but is incapable or has no interest in trying to work towards a solution. it's hard for the american people to come to grips with that, but i think eventually it's going to have to become a parrot. and i do think, martha, that the president ultimately himself may be damaged by what's going on here in washington. martha: do we have time to play that quick sound bite from cnbc with regard to the markets, you guys? can we play that. >> >> i think this time's different. i think they should be concerned. when you have a situation in which a faction is willing potentially to default on u.s.